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Doug
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posted December 03, 2000 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doug   Click Here to Email Doug     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
During November 2000, your webs at Parkside Plaza got seventeen thousand hits, half what they got in October. Page views and user sessions also dropped in half. However, the number of users fell hardly at all.

Learn more: Parkside Plaza Traffic Report

Details: October | November

These are very long downloads, so I also put it into the usual Plaza directory that you FTP to. You'll find it quicker to FTP the two files -- plazanov00.htm (1.2M) and plazaoct00.htm (741K) -- from there to your hard drive.

What can you learn from these stats? Do you see any trends? Do you see an anomalies (outliers)? Do you see anything that would make you do anything differently?

The traffic so far is mostly maintenance. You checking out your own pages to see how they look. The next large category is our in-class activity during your presentations. The rest is ... what? Please speculate.

Can you suggest something you and your classmates can do to increase the non-maintenance traffic?

Please play some "what if". I'll be happy to re-run the WebTrends software to see what happens if ....

kim.g
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posted December 04, 2000 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kim.g   Click Here to Email kim.g     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I agree, Doug, that most of the traffic is maintenance on our individual web pages. If you recall, late October marked the conclusion of the end of MBA 604, therefore I would like to suggest that October would show more traffic as individuals scramble to make last minute changes to the student webs in order to receive a satisfactory grade. I will also speculate that the traffic pattern falls of the first part of November because of the start of MBA 604. Generally, classes tend to start a little slower than they end. Also, if the Bistro stats were available you would find that in November we had fewer designated Roundtable assignments at the beginning of MBA 604, therefore, traffic on the Bistro probably declined.

I will make a prediction that December site stats will show a sharp increase as the class once again scrambles to build their project web sites. Further, traffic will increase as the class visits these sites during presentations.

I think the stats are also telling in that outside people are checking the student webs probably because we’re running around telling our friends, “Look what I did”. I was also surprised about the international traffic (excluding Hungary). Although, the traffic is not high, who has relatives in the UK or are these accidental hits?

There also seem to be some good hits on the “thank you” pages. I going to guess this is not as much for form submission as it is for form maintenance. A good portion of the class had difficulty in getting their forms to work correctly.

I’ll be interested to see what other people come up with because I am sure there are other obvious things I am not seeing.

paulyd*
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posted December 04, 2000 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for paulyd*   Click Here to Email paulyd*     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I must say that I agree with Kim. In October MBA 600 students worked diligently on completing both the panel discussion presentation and the Transformation of the Enterprise presentation. I know from my experience that I would update pages for the two presentations if new issues/information arose on a regular basis. During most of November, time was spent primarily in setting the groundwork for the subject matters that we going to be tackled in MBA 604.

What stuck out to me the most was the Most Requested Pages. Some of the most requested were people who are not even taking the course right now. Perhaps they are using the pages for some purpose/advantage or Benedek Kaldy is telling all his friends and family back in Hungary to go and check out his site.

The Number of Users Per Site Visit also stuck out. 1 visit was overwhelmingly the champion in this particular category. Perhaps web-users are falling on our web-pages by accident or are just there to check out some information or a specific feature out.

Well that is what stuck out to me the most--thanx--

manda903
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posted December 05, 2000 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for manda903   Click Here to Email manda903     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I've got some ideas as to why my pages are some of the most viewed right now - during the snowstorm, I was stranded at CTG. During that time, I did a ton of web page maintenance, viewing my page myself several times. I was waiting out the storm with others, and I showed my page to all of them. The traffic to my forms was huge during those 3 days.

I think that in order to increase non-maintenance traffic, we'd have to mount some sort of PR campaign for people to come look at what we can do - similar, tho smaller in scale, to the Digital Wares event. At this point, I'm not sure I'd want to put my home page on my resume as an example of my work, mainly because of the content. I'm not ashamed to be a Sabres fan, but I think the content should be a little more serious if you're showing it off to a prospective employer.

Just my two cents...

Doug
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posted December 05, 2000 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doug   Click Here to Email Doug     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Amanda could move her Sabre stuff in a level. Her index.html page could then have a more professional look and have links to a resume, to school stuff, to serious stuff, and also to the "personal" stuff like her Sabres info.

If she doesn't do it at the Plaza, she should do it elsewhere and link to it from the Plaza. That goes for all of the MBA students. If you don't keep up with your Plaza sites, you should keep a professional site elsewhere and link to it from here.

Let's turn it around. You're on the search committee at your place of employment. One candidate whom you're interviewing has an MBA and claims to have experience on the Web. The other has an MBA and gives you a URL that leads to examples of her academic work, her professional interests, and gasp! her interest in the Sabres. Who's the stronger candidate, all else being equal?

cherylwright
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posted December 06, 2000 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cherylwright   Click Here to Email cherylwright     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Very interesting comments thus far, and I must say that I agree with most of the observations, especially Kim's. A huge majority of students (including myself) were new to Web page development in MBA600. Many spent hours on end trying to PERRRRRRRRRfect our pages. Also, in line with what Kim previously stated, I was one of those students that scrambled in the end. When we began MBA604, Doug stated that we would be required to give more presentations. Based upon the presentation topics, students are visiting other sites to find out what interests consumers and businesses; researching material; getting ideas and examples; etc. These other activities led to a decline in use at Parkside Plaza. I expect that traffic at the Plaza will increase because students are making more presentations from their web pages vs. other web sites.

To increase non-maintenance usage, Amanda's idea to set off some type of PR campaign is great. Here are a couple of "what if" scenarios:

- What if the MBASO web page were linked to the Medaille College website?
- What if the MBASO link were set up similar to Leslie's links when she used dynamic html during her presentation on merchant accounts? With the click of the mouse, your at Parkside Plaza.
- Taken a step further, as you hoover over the MBASO logo/link (Andy's presentation), What if the option to click on the Parkside Plaza site were made easily accessible?

In response to Doug's latest question, I believe that the candidate providing the URL is the stronger applicant. Why? Because the perspective employer can base his/her decision to hire the employee based upon the content of what is behind the URL. The old saying, "Talk a Good Game" does not apply to employing web personnel.

I imagine that I'd better begin to make my web page look a little more serious.

Until the next discussion.

pmosley1
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posted December 07, 2000 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pmosley1   Click Here to Email pmosley1     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I agree with the comments listed above. During the last week of MBA 600 I know, from personal experience, that we generated quite a few hits just trying to complete the homework assignments that were due by the end of the mod. Now that we are doing presentations and adding links to our web pages traffic will start to increase.

Amanda stated above that we should publicize the student web
pages. Lillian mentioned great ideas about that, such as having a link to the Medialle college website. In order to generate hits on my own page I recently asked friends to ask friends to access the page using my URL.

In reference to Doug's comment regarding job interviews, the person who can give the interviewer a URL to a page that they have designed and are maintaining will certainly be more impressive. Any time someone can back up their skills they are at an advantage.

islandgal
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posted December 09, 2000 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for islandgal     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
The stats are clear, we have an external invasion to Riccistreet and our student webs. I think its cool. To get more? Hmmmm...

(1)We could have our sites linked to as many mba sites as possible. If someone types in a search for mba programs, etc, our student web pages should be a link.
(2)What if we linked our pages to business sites for example if we link to subjects in business eg marketing, multimedia,etc.
(3)Of course linking to the MBASO and Medaille is a great idea but of course we could show up in a search for Harvard, Princeton and Yale - perhaps the preppies may be impressed with Medaille's MBA program

The whole-show-your-experience thing on the net is great and quite efficient for up and coming super employees. For someone like me in the design profession its great because it will save a lot of money on copying and printing out your graphics for presentation portfolios. Maybe on my next job application under experience I'll put www.riccistreet.net/dwares/plaza/mills/index.html and see what happens

PEACE

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Island Gal

evelynkerney
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posted December 10, 2000 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for evelynkerney   Click Here to Email evelynkerney     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I do appreciate you providing us with the server log data. Unlike my colleagues I have not shared my Web Site with any of my business associates .

I am still viewing my site as a work in progress and my brain is
reacting pretty much like a sponge soaking up as much as I can on
Web Page Design and its various components and featrures . Right
now I'm not that keen about advertising my site for general public viewing. I know its available to the public but I'm not that particular in drawing a lot of attention to it .

paulyd*
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posted December 30, 2000 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for paulyd*   Click Here to Email paulyd*     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
This is in response to Doug's earlier message about using riccistreet to our benefits. I look to use riccistreet for my benefit in a professional sense. My site right now is pretty cluttered with a lot of different subject matters from MBA 600, MBA 604, personal interests and hobbies and some other areas as well. I will clean that up soon, and I think it would be a huge benefit to have something like an index page with my resume and highlights of some of the academic and professional work that I have done. Thanks and that is it for now--

leslie
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posted December 31, 2000 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for leslie   Click Here to Email leslie     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I feel there is several reasons for the decreased number of hits in November. The first is the fact that November was the beginning of the mod and there was not as much work to do at the beginning of MBA 604, as there was at the end of MBA 600. Like everyone else mentioned, in October everyone was rushing to complete all the assignments before the end of the mod. I also feel that since most of the material in MBA 600 was new to us, it required alot more reading time on RicciStreet to understand the concepts. For MBA 604 I feel I do more reading at other sites, for example ClickZ, E-Commerce Times, and the Standard. The bistro posting also have an impact on the lower amount of hits. Last class we were required to do bistro posting after every class and this mod we were left on our own. I think without the structure we tended to relax a little more.

To increase the amount of non-maintenance traffic to our sites, we need to increase the number of "keywords" in our code so we are more susceptible to search engines. I like the idea of allowing people to link to our sites directly from the Medaille web site. I think students who are thinking of attending Medaille's MBA program should get an idea of the material being taught in the program. I also think if students in the program knew that their sites were being viewed by several potential students, they would work even harder on them. That's just my opinion. To increase the amount of overall traffic at Riccistreet, I think that more classes have to take advantage of the bistro. If all of the classes in the program used the bistro to communicate ideas or problems, the traffic would be significantly higher. I think it is an opportunity that is being wasted.

As for my predictions for December, I think the number of hits will be much higher due to the amount of work that needed to be completed before the end of the mod. Obviously the first two weeks in January will also be very active, but the rest of January will be very quiet.

Doug
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posted December 31, 2000 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doug   Click Here to Email Doug     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Leslie writes:
quote:
If all of the classes in the program used the bistro to communicate ideas or problems, the traffic would be significantly higher. I think it is an opportunity that is being wasted.
I agree. As you can see from the Bistro's list of forums, several of the other faculty have started, but none has followed through.

Over half of next mod's MBA 602 students, over three-quarters of next mod's MBA 601 students, and all of next mod's MBA 623 and capstone students will have taken MBA 600/604 with me. As Bistro veterans, they all have accounts and they know its value. Is this critical mass? How much input do students have into a teacher's pedagogy?

As a colleague, I'm more than happy to show the other faculty what to do. The examples of the MBA 600 and 604 forums are in plain view.

Any suggestions are most welcome.

[This message has been edited by Doug (edited December 31, 2000).]

smtraficante
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posted January 01, 2001 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for smtraficante   Click Here to Email smtraficante     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I would agree with everyone's thoughts so far. In November, it was the beginning of a new mod, so new things were being learned, rather than getting started. With the holidays near, people had alot of other things going on also. I agree that if the college had more courses utilizing Riccistreet, then traffic would significantly higher. I think that the site should be linked to the schools main site. As everyone is still trying to perfect their pages, we know how it's done and don't necessarily need to check it everytime we put a page through. Rather we wait until we have several done and then check it out. The novelty I'm sure has died down a little also. With our next and last project, I think it's going to bring up the stats a little bit, but unless we figure something to bring more people from outside the class to check out our sites then the stats are going to increase. The ideas to bring them in:
1. Have links from Medaille's home page
2. Word of mouth, let others know what we are learning and that the sites are a WIP.

I know that I like to show and tell others about my web page. Granted it's still in progress, but to let others see how it's changed and what I've learned in just a few months still amazes me and my friends.

Note to Doug- Nice spell check button at the end of the reply box.

Pyarnes
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posted January 08, 2001 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pyarnes   Click Here to Email Pyarnes     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I think more course need to use the bistro. I never heard of the bistro until Doug introduced it to me. I think that more of instructers need to adovcate the use of the bistro. This could increase the communication between students & teachers. I think this would be a benefit to the MBA program. I agree with Shelia there should be a link to the Medaille homepage. Prespective students would have a better insight into Medaille college.

Stephanie
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posted January 08, 2001 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stephanie   Click Here to Email Stephanie     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I have to agree with most of my classmates on this issue. Numbers are definately up due to the diligent work by the students to make sure that their pages were in order when MBA 600 ended. This is also the case this week when we are making sure everything is completed for MBA 604.

I know I have given the URL to friends and family to get their input and to show them what I've been doing, however I haven't shared it with coworkers or anyone professionally. However, I would like to spend time over the summer refining my page and eventually using it to better sell myself to prospective employers. I agree that it is also a wonderful way to set Medaille MBA's apart from others. Perhaps the school should think about how to use it as a selling point to prospective students and faculty.

I also agree with Amy that other teachers here need to start using the Bistro more. In a class I took with Dr. Lillis, extra points were given if we registered and used the bistro to talk about class issues. However there were only 4 students in the class so it didn't get to far.

I really think Doug has tapped into something that could be much more beneficial to the entire program.

Just my thoughts...

Doug
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posted January 08, 2001 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doug   Click Here to Email Doug     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Have you seen the December stats?
http://riccistreet.net/riccigreen/sitestats/plazastats.htm

The summary on that page has three months now. Starting to show some trends.

pfeiferka
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posted January 14, 2001 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pfeiferka   Click Here to Email pfeiferka     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Server Log
You’re scaring me Doug at least your message of December 5th

"Let's turn it around. You're on the search committee at your place of employment. One candidate whom you're interviewing has an MBA and claims to have experience on the Web. The other has an MBA and gives you a URL that leads to examples of her academic work, her professional interests, and gasp! her interest in the Sabres. Who's the stronger candidate, all else being equal?"

…I really need to update my Gnome site and put something more serious and more professional out there…where does the time go?…anyway, I played around with the “Find” feature under “EDIT” to see specifically where and how my site measured in the overall scheme of things. It was interesting to see the traffic flow changes…due to my site being so off the wall, I did not communicate my sight to my friends and family so most of my traffic was maintenance or of other classmates. I can see where server information would be extremely helpful for marketing purposes and developing a website appropriately.

More later…-k

Dee
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posted January 14, 2001 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dee   Click Here to Email Dee     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I do think that most of the hits have come from
students performing their work. All of the content on the site may cause other accidental visits to the site. The information is vast on riccistreet. This is inevitable.

I did receive a phone call at work with a job offer based on my resume that was posted on riccistreet. Not bad!

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